RE: RE: Failure is not an option...
Steve opines: "Considering that the new commander Bush just appointed thinks it can't be won and testified to that effect before Congress, I have to say your belief is based on wishful thinking and little else. We could "win" in Iraq, whatever that means, but we don't have the stomach for it. We never did."
What commander are you talking about??? I would like to see a name and a direct quote from that commander you are talking about. Do you believe Bush or any president would appoint a commander who believes that a certain mission can't be carried out and won???
"I remember hearing exactly the same words from other True Believers right before we bailed out of Saigon. The new plan is nothing but the old plan with a coat of polish. 20,000 troops won't make a bit of difference, it will be like spitting into a volcano. The changes in the rules of engagement simply mean no one is going to face a court martial for what they are already doing. Bush is doing nothing but reinforcing failure."
You sound like your fellow Navy vet, John Kerry. I'm sure our men & women who serve in Iraq and believe in their mission likes to hear that they are a bunch of failures.
"You can win every battle and still lose the war, Andy, and blaming the media for that is silly. Wars aren't won on the well wishes of the folks back home. The neocons' incessant whining about how American morale at home is hurting the war effort is manure. Wars are won on superior strategies and superior logistics, neither of which we possess, nor does Bush even comprehend."
Actually, you can lose wars at home, with Vietnam as a perfect example. The enemy knows they can't defeat us on the battlefield, but they do know that with enough blood and carnage, they can defeat the will here at home. Rhetoric like you are saying only enables the enemy.
"Then you're thinking with your party hat, Andy. Think rationally. I'll grant you that some stupid mistakes allowed a few people to take advantage of our open society, but you can't seriously believe that anyone fighting against us on the ground in Iraq is any kind of plausible threat to us. The Soviet Union had ballistic missiles aimed at us 24/7 and they had a demonstrated will to use them. Even at that, we didn't go invade the Balkans."
I do consider them a plausible threat... They killed approx. 3,000 people on one sunny day in September on our own soil. I'm not diminishing the threat that the Soviets were during the Cold War days, but I'm certainly not diminishing the threat posed by these terrorists either.
"You need to start digging your bomb shelter, Andy. That kind of paranoia is exactly what the powers that be use to keep their thumb on you. The only threat from Muslims is the same one that is overtaking Europe, and how is that happening? Migration, my boy, and your President isn't lifting a finger to do anything about that. In fact, he is aiding and abetting it. He is pushing policies that will welcome the "Islamic Extremists" among us with open arms. So while our kids are bleeding and dying in the sand to keep the Saudi Royal Family safe, the Dimwit from Crawford is setting us up for the next World Trade Center. Nice."
I'm not your boy...
"In any case, you missed my point. Of course the war on terror is silly, just like any other war on a noun is silly. It makes no more sense than the war on poverty or the war on drugs, and it isn't any more winnable. It is jingoistic showboating. It is simple-minded sloganeering for the purpose of obtaining power."
And you call me paranoid???
What commander are you talking about??? I would like to see a name and a direct quote from that commander you are talking about. Do you believe Bush or any president would appoint a commander who believes that a certain mission can't be carried out and won???
"I remember hearing exactly the same words from other True Believers right before we bailed out of Saigon. The new plan is nothing but the old plan with a coat of polish. 20,000 troops won't make a bit of difference, it will be like spitting into a volcano. The changes in the rules of engagement simply mean no one is going to face a court martial for what they are already doing. Bush is doing nothing but reinforcing failure."
You sound like your fellow Navy vet, John Kerry. I'm sure our men & women who serve in Iraq and believe in their mission likes to hear that they are a bunch of failures.
"You can win every battle and still lose the war, Andy, and blaming the media for that is silly. Wars aren't won on the well wishes of the folks back home. The neocons' incessant whining about how American morale at home is hurting the war effort is manure. Wars are won on superior strategies and superior logistics, neither of which we possess, nor does Bush even comprehend."
Actually, you can lose wars at home, with Vietnam as a perfect example. The enemy knows they can't defeat us on the battlefield, but they do know that with enough blood and carnage, they can defeat the will here at home. Rhetoric like you are saying only enables the enemy.
"Then you're thinking with your party hat, Andy. Think rationally. I'll grant you that some stupid mistakes allowed a few people to take advantage of our open society, but you can't seriously believe that anyone fighting against us on the ground in Iraq is any kind of plausible threat to us. The Soviet Union had ballistic missiles aimed at us 24/7 and they had a demonstrated will to use them. Even at that, we didn't go invade the Balkans."
I do consider them a plausible threat... They killed approx. 3,000 people on one sunny day in September on our own soil. I'm not diminishing the threat that the Soviets were during the Cold War days, but I'm certainly not diminishing the threat posed by these terrorists either.
"You need to start digging your bomb shelter, Andy. That kind of paranoia is exactly what the powers that be use to keep their thumb on you. The only threat from Muslims is the same one that is overtaking Europe, and how is that happening? Migration, my boy, and your President isn't lifting a finger to do anything about that. In fact, he is aiding and abetting it. He is pushing policies that will welcome the "Islamic Extremists" among us with open arms. So while our kids are bleeding and dying in the sand to keep the Saudi Royal Family safe, the Dimwit from Crawford is setting us up for the next World Trade Center. Nice."
I'm not your boy...
"In any case, you missed my point. Of course the war on terror is silly, just like any other war on a noun is silly. It makes no more sense than the war on poverty or the war on drugs, and it isn't any more winnable. It is jingoistic showboating. It is simple-minded sloganeering for the purpose of obtaining power."
And you call me paranoid???
posted by Andy W. Rogers | 7:48 AM
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