Spike Lee: Still has no talent
It doesn't stand correct, that's for sure, although it could stand to be correct-ed.
I wasn't aware that there was a correct in evaluating talent. There is nothing factually invalid in what I posted. You like Mr. Lee and his movies, I find him talentless and insipid. I can almost guarantee we would have inverted opinions on any number of other directors, actors, or members of American popular culture. I doubt there will be an objective outcome to this discussion. And "Strother says Steve is wrong" will hardly stand as the ultimate answer.
Continuing further with your faulty reasoning, Steve, are folks like Oliver Stone, Bruce Springsteen, and the late Shel Silverstein "no talent hacks" as well?
Oliver Stone, yes. Sprinsteen and Shel Silverstein, no. Oliver Stone has much of the same problem that Spike Lee has. He could be talented, but he chooses to be lazy and pernicious. He chooses to let his ego overcome his capacity for talent.
And, once again, I have not offered this "faulty" reasoning you are assigning to me. My reasoning has been that his movies are pointless and boring. My reasoning is that his facility with American pop culture should not be mistaken for genuine talent. You're the one who is assuming I don't like his work solely on the basis of his being a race pimp. I find many, many people with whom I strongly disagree politically and philosophically to be exceptionally talented. As long as they don't stray into propaganda or use the proceeds of their artistry to further an agenda, I even contribute to their livelihood by purchasing their product. However, once they leave entertainment and stray into activism, I no longer subsidize their efforts. I do not, however, change my opinion of their abilities.
Maybe you should just say that you don't like art that contains messages or themes that you may disagree with.
No one likes art that contains messages or themes that they disagree with, including you, Strother. But I don't judge talent on that basis. Even in the case where I disagree with the message, the talent can be inescapable. I always appreciate talent, even if I am discouraged that the person in question chooses to squander it on propaganda. Sorry, I'm not Brent Bozell and I probably don't fit your preconceived notion of what a conservative consumer of the arts is supposed to act like.
On the subject of 'Do The Right Thing,' 100% of contributing critics and 96% of site users on the Rotten Tomatoes website find the film to be a winner.
Good for them. What's your point? 100% of the contributing critics on several venues I follow found Signs and The Passion of the Christ to be bona fide works of art. I doubt you agree, but maybe you do. Movie reviewers fall under the category of, "Everyone has a right to their opinion, no matter how wrong they are."
That's hardly the reaction that a no-talent hack receives regarding his or her work.
Of course it is. The American entertainment industry is one of the most self-congratulatory entities in the universe. I don't need someone else to tell me what I should and should not enjoy and if I'm just not "cool" because I don't rave over what the herd finds wonderful, I can assure you I'll not lose a wink of sleep over it.
I wasn't aware that there was a correct in evaluating talent. There is nothing factually invalid in what I posted. You like Mr. Lee and his movies, I find him talentless and insipid. I can almost guarantee we would have inverted opinions on any number of other directors, actors, or members of American popular culture. I doubt there will be an objective outcome to this discussion. And "Strother says Steve is wrong" will hardly stand as the ultimate answer.
Continuing further with your faulty reasoning, Steve, are folks like Oliver Stone, Bruce Springsteen, and the late Shel Silverstein "no talent hacks" as well?
Oliver Stone, yes. Sprinsteen and Shel Silverstein, no. Oliver Stone has much of the same problem that Spike Lee has. He could be talented, but he chooses to be lazy and pernicious. He chooses to let his ego overcome his capacity for talent.
And, once again, I have not offered this "faulty" reasoning you are assigning to me. My reasoning has been that his movies are pointless and boring. My reasoning is that his facility with American pop culture should not be mistaken for genuine talent. You're the one who is assuming I don't like his work solely on the basis of his being a race pimp. I find many, many people with whom I strongly disagree politically and philosophically to be exceptionally talented. As long as they don't stray into propaganda or use the proceeds of their artistry to further an agenda, I even contribute to their livelihood by purchasing their product. However, once they leave entertainment and stray into activism, I no longer subsidize their efforts. I do not, however, change my opinion of their abilities.
Maybe you should just say that you don't like art that contains messages or themes that you may disagree with.
No one likes art that contains messages or themes that they disagree with, including you, Strother. But I don't judge talent on that basis. Even in the case where I disagree with the message, the talent can be inescapable. I always appreciate talent, even if I am discouraged that the person in question chooses to squander it on propaganda. Sorry, I'm not Brent Bozell and I probably don't fit your preconceived notion of what a conservative consumer of the arts is supposed to act like.
On the subject of 'Do The Right Thing,' 100% of contributing critics and 96% of site users on the Rotten Tomatoes website find the film to be a winner.
Good for them. What's your point? 100% of the contributing critics on several venues I follow found Signs and The Passion of the Christ to be bona fide works of art. I doubt you agree, but maybe you do. Movie reviewers fall under the category of, "Everyone has a right to their opinion, no matter how wrong they are."
That's hardly the reaction that a no-talent hack receives regarding his or her work.
Of course it is. The American entertainment industry is one of the most self-congratulatory entities in the universe. I don't need someone else to tell me what I should and should not enjoy and if I'm just not "cool" because I don't rave over what the herd finds wonderful, I can assure you I'll not lose a wink of sleep over it.
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