Tanya Goes Extreme
Ever heard of sleeper cells? Terrorists are in America today waiting for the right moment to kill thousands of innocent American people just like what happened on 9/11. Why should we do anything different to their people? I say an eye for an eye
I don't doubt you are correct on the presence of terrorists in this country now. Our Swiss cheese border just about guarantees that. However, I don't think I'm quite ready to adopt the revenge model nor the "kill them all, God will know his own" model. We have a right to defend ourselves, and we certainly have the right to preemptively prevent an attack on us that we are convinced will occur. That conviction needs to be the result of a massive amount of evidence and not just assurances that these are bad guys. Badness does not equal effectiveness. The trouble is, we're not fighting another nation, we're fighting an idea and I can't think of a single enemy that is more difficult to defeat.
...I seriously doubt that we will turn the desert to glass, though that is what I would do,save the trouble of this situation happening again...
I am a member in good standing of the mushroom cloud society. However, that only applies to the case in which we used that option before, as you mentioned. The situation was that we were at war with a nation and a standing military. The bomb was dropped to end the war and save countless lives on both sides of the conflict. We are not in anything like that situation now. For one thing, where would we drop it? Iraq? What would that accomplish? By all indications, most Iraqis seem to be glad we're there and are nominally pro-American.
Jihadi terrorists are spread around the Middle East. In Hiroshima and Nagasaki we didn't use the bomb as a pure terror weapon, although that was part of it. Those were major Japanese industrial centers. Nuclear weapons have had very limited success as tactical weapons and we are in a tactical situation. There is no infrastructure to damage and no population center to suppress.
What needs to happen in Iraq is that the politicians need to turn the war over to the military, completely. The unspoken insinuation in the Buckley piece is that the military is in virtual stand-down because they know the political knees are weakening. The military protects our country first and themselves second. When they are certain they will be withdrawn from the first mission, they instinctively adopt the second. Turning over the war to the military will allow them to finish this up and get us out of there. That means we will see civilian bodies on television. We will see death by friendly fire. We will see priceless antiquities reduced to dust. What we won't see is American servicemen being brought home in body bags two years from now.
Of course, the chicken hawks in the White House don't have the stomach for that, so we'll never see it, but that's what is needed.
I don't doubt you are correct on the presence of terrorists in this country now. Our Swiss cheese border just about guarantees that. However, I don't think I'm quite ready to adopt the revenge model nor the "kill them all, God will know his own" model. We have a right to defend ourselves, and we certainly have the right to preemptively prevent an attack on us that we are convinced will occur. That conviction needs to be the result of a massive amount of evidence and not just assurances that these are bad guys. Badness does not equal effectiveness. The trouble is, we're not fighting another nation, we're fighting an idea and I can't think of a single enemy that is more difficult to defeat.
...I seriously doubt that we will turn the desert to glass, though that is what I would do,save the trouble of this situation happening again...
I am a member in good standing of the mushroom cloud society. However, that only applies to the case in which we used that option before, as you mentioned. The situation was that we were at war with a nation and a standing military. The bomb was dropped to end the war and save countless lives on both sides of the conflict. We are not in anything like that situation now. For one thing, where would we drop it? Iraq? What would that accomplish? By all indications, most Iraqis seem to be glad we're there and are nominally pro-American.
Jihadi terrorists are spread around the Middle East. In Hiroshima and Nagasaki we didn't use the bomb as a pure terror weapon, although that was part of it. Those were major Japanese industrial centers. Nuclear weapons have had very limited success as tactical weapons and we are in a tactical situation. There is no infrastructure to damage and no population center to suppress.
What needs to happen in Iraq is that the politicians need to turn the war over to the military, completely. The unspoken insinuation in the Buckley piece is that the military is in virtual stand-down because they know the political knees are weakening. The military protects our country first and themselves second. When they are certain they will be withdrawn from the first mission, they instinctively adopt the second. Turning over the war to the military will allow them to finish this up and get us out of there. That means we will see civilian bodies on television. We will see death by friendly fire. We will see priceless antiquities reduced to dust. What we won't see is American servicemen being brought home in body bags two years from now.
Of course, the chicken hawks in the White House don't have the stomach for that, so we'll never see it, but that's what is needed.
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