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Bully Pulpit

The term "bully pulpit" stems from President Theodore Roosevelt's reference to the White House as a "bully pulpit," meaning a terrific platform from which to persuasively advocate an agenda. Roosevelt often used the word "bully" as an adjective meaning superb/wonderful. The Bully Pulpit features news, reasoned discourse, opinion and some humor.

Friday, July 13, 2007

Nazi Comparison

(Fox News) - Minnesota Democrat Keith Ellison — the first Muslim member of Congress — says Bush administration actions following 9/11 remind him of the way Adolf Hitler's government expanded its power after the burning of Berlin’s Reichstag parliament building in 1933.

Ellison told a gathering of atheists recently — "It's almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that. After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the communists for it and it put the leader of that country [Hitler] in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted. The fact is that I'm not saying [September 11] was a [U.S.] plan, or anything like that because, you know, that's how they put you in the nut-ball box — dismiss you."

Ellison later told a writer for the Minneapolis Star Tribune that examples of Bush administration actions fitting his Nazi parallel include the Iraq war, certain provisions of the Patriot Act, and the commutation of Scooter Libby's prison sentence.

9 Comments:

Anonymous PGB said...

I have had it with these dumbass comments and the idiots responsible for electing them. This comparison is disgusting and should be refuted by every freedom loving American. There are so many fallacies in his argument; I don’t know where to start. The Patriot Act, Scooter Libby and the Iraq War…this compares to the Hitler dictatorship, the Invasion of Poland, France, etc, and Murdering Millions of Innocents. What? This is the type of thinking that makes me fear for the future of the country; not whether Bush is secreting listening to conversations I have with overseas extremists or detaining battlefield combatants and sending them to Gitmo so they can get Fat. I would not trust Osama Ellis as far as I could throw him or others of his ilk. One minute they are spewing this nonsense and the next they are implementing Jihad.

Friday, July 13, 2007 9:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the (hundreds of) thousannds of innocent civilians that have lost their lives from the countries that the US has invaded? Are they just collateral damage?

When you think your own "shit don't stink" it is easy to overlook the many horrible -- should i say evil -- things the current Bush adminstration has been responsible for.

Almost 3000 American civilians died on 9/11. How many Iraqi Civilians have died since 2003? One can't (accurately) blame that on Bin Laden. BUt then again it seems that those who support our President's war in Iraq do not care about innocent life taken anywhere but America.

Friday, July 13, 2007 11:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Nature Boy said...

Since P.G.B. is an Iraq War veteran, why don't you, Anonymous, tell that to him to his face. It's odd that you didn't tell him those thoughts when you used to see him five days a week. Matter of fact, you might have even had refreshments at his "Welcome Back" party when he came back from his year-long tour.

Friday, July 13, 2007 1:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think you're confused, Nature Boy....

Friday, July 13, 2007 3:23:00 PM  
Blogger Steve Brenneis said...

Apparently Anonymous has trouble with History as well as Math.

Hundreds of thousands of innocents killed when we invaded countries?

Well maybe we should start by listing the countries we have invaded.

Canada
Tripoli
Puerto Rico
Germany (twice)
Laos
Grenada
Afghanistan
Iraq

In each of those cases, the number of innocents killed in the course of the invasion numbers from zero to a few thousand, at most.

I'm no fan of George's excellent Iraq adventure, but I am a fan of the truth. Let's try sticking to that, hmmm?

Friday, July 13, 2007 4:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure the idealogues on here will have(create) some reason for denouncing the statistics on this website but here are some numbers that the "old media" rarely provides the American public:

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Saturday, July 14, 2007 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger Steve Brenneis said...

Once again, not defending the "intervention" at all, but the problem with those statistics is that they are without context.

For example, I would be willing to bet a sizable percentage of those deaths are due to hostilities between Sunnis and Shiites. Those hostilities were kept in check, brutally, by the Hussein government. So, sure, the deaths are an indirect result of the intervention, but the intervention didn't cause them. As well, they are in no way related to the invasion.

Both sides of the debate have not been immune to demagoguery. Too bad the truth is what suffers.

Monday, July 16, 2007 11:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...a sizable percentage of those deaths are due to hostilities between Sunnis and Shiites. Those hostilities were kept in check, brutally, by the Hussein government... they are in no way related to the invasion."

The last sentence of this paragraph contradicts what was stated in the first part. The sectarian violence in Iraq may not be soley caused by the US invasion, but the two are certainly related and insinuating otherwise is not entirely truthful.

Monday, July 16, 2007 7:05:00 PM  
Blogger Steve Brenneis said...

The sectarian violence in Iraq may not be soley caused by the US invasion, but the two are certainly related and insinuating otherwise is not entirely truthful.

Not so. The violence is solely due to sectarian differences between the Sunnis and Shiites. The invasion only gave them the opportunity to carry on hostilities in a more open manner. Had the US not invaded, some eventual end to the Hussein government would have resulted in the same situation. It is disingenuous and demagogic in the extreme to blame the US or its admittedly ill-considered adventurism for a millenium-old conflict that has been killing innocents for centuries.

I'm not quite sure what causes liberals to engage in this sort of indirect self-loathing, but it is wholly unnecessary to drag the rest of us into it.

Monday, July 16, 2007 11:52:00 PM  

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